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On the Podcast: In Conversation with Rachel Friedman and Jennifer Rubins

Welcome to This Is the Author In Conversation, a series of special episodes within our This Is the Author podcast in which authors, narrators, directors, and producers talk candidly about the audiobooks they work on together—often only minutes after recording has wrapped.

Author Rachel Friedman and Narrator Jen Rubins

Rachel and Jen in the Recording Studio

Tune in now to hear Rachel Friedman, author of And Then We Grew Up: On Creativity, Potential, and the Imperfect Art of Adulthood, in conversation with narrator Jennifer Rubins, and discover how both author and narrator found their own unexpected creative paths, and what brought them together in the studio.



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Rubins’s graceful narration enhances this enriching message about creating a broader notion of accomplishment.AudioFile Earphones Award
Anyone who’s ever looked back longingly at an old passion and wondered what might have been will find an empathetic friend in Friedman.

Publishers Weekly, starred review, Best Book of 2019

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Warm, whip-smart, and insightful, And Then We Grew Up offers inspiration for finding creative fulfillment wherever we end up in life—from the flashy and famous to the quiet and steady—full of unexpected insights about creativity and contentment, from the author of The Good Girl’s Guide to Getting Lost.